From friendlyatheist:
“It’s all about the truth, people. And all the evidence is crystal clear right now: the earth is far older than 6,000 years. Evolution is a real, and it is a process built on raw chance driven by the brutal engines of selection, and there is no sign of a loving, personal god, but only billions of years of pitiless winnowing without any direction other than short-term survival and reproduction. It’s not pretty, it’s not consoling, it doesn’t sanctify virginity, or tell you that god really loves your foreskin, but it’s got one soaring virtue that trumps all the others: it’s true.”
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Confrontation all the way : Pharyngula
Brilliant. Read this, all of it, now.
(via bildungsroman)
YES! GO READ IT NOW! I COMMAND IT!
Dude, why are we still having this conversation? We’ve ALL been saying this shit for years! I’m sick of people telling me to go read stuff I already know. It’s just replacing one dogma with another. QUICK! GO READ THIS, IT SHALL REINFORCE EVERYTHING YOU BELIEVE!
Gee, thanks, but I’m already pretty firm in my point-of-view. I don’t need to read someone state the obvious.
And for God’s sake (!) stop using the word “selection” when referring to evolution. That suggests there’s a thought process behind things that happen. It’s not “the brutal engines of selection” it’s the brutal engines of FATE. There’s no being or even “unit” that “makes” a choice: “You get to live, YOU do not.”
It’s just random luck meeting random preparedness—fate.
It’s like when people call evolution a “process”. It isn’t. It may look like one because we line the evidence up in a nice easy-to-understand fashion. But the reality is that it’s not a process. It’s a mess of random events that cause things randomly. It’s not even “survival of the fittest,” it’s more “survival of the lucky.”
When we use words like “process” and “selection” we just give the believers room to wiggle and redefine what “truth” even means. That, in turn, allows them to keep preaching. And THAT, in turn, makes me want to walk away from the discussion, sit down and wait for the believers to die.
This is why I asked: why are we still having this discussion?