So, I'm at the boba house that I always hang out at the other night and I see these religious guys come in. Now, I'm a self-professed Atheist because I believe nothing and I mean
exactly that. I hope there's a heaven and that bad people don't get to go there and I also hope that we all have souls and don't just think we have souls. That said, I'm not willing to
believe anything. I'll entertain anything, but make a life-choice based around it? Uh-uh.
However, I do enjoy learning about people's belief systems. I find listening to people talking about their faiths to be facinating. So, these religious guys, I've seen them around previous nights and had always found myself trying to overhear what they were saying. I had mischevious thoughts of jumping into their little discussions about God and Jesus and so on and slamming them hard into the ground. I don't actually want to do this because I wouldn't want that done to me. (Luckily, we Atheists are generally untouchable :) ) So, the other night, I start talking to one of them that I had spoken with previously. This guy was nice and really just wanted to talk to me about my Mac, which was fine. However, that night his friends followed him and I made the unknowing mistake of telling the lead Christian guy how much his passion impressed me. I then admitted how I had been tempted to jump in on their debates.
"Oh no, they're not debates, it's a Bible study group," the lead guy says to me.
"Could have fooled me," I said smiling.
"Sometimes we get a little heated, but really we're just a study group," one of the other guys tells me.
"You're always welcome to join in. We always want everyone to feel welcome," the lead one says to me. I told them that generally I don't practice any religion but that I was on a journey (of sorts) to learn about all the religions out there. Which is true. I add that I'm not interested in picking one. The lead guy then sits down at my table and begins telling me about his brand of Christianity. This would be fine, except that he tells me how his brand is going to change my life. I tell him that I'm a pretty tough nut to crack.
"God will get you, you know," he says, "it may take some time, but he will get you. You know how I know? I know because you have a good heart."
Uh-huh.
I mean, I'm flattered that he thinks I have a good heart, but what does that have to do with God?
"See, it's not me that changes you. What does a farmer do?"
I love questions like that one because, in theory, you can get away with saying absolutely anything that a farmer does and there's no way to come across like a dickweed. I suppose you could say that a farmer has a daughter who then has sex with men who's cars break down up on the Interstate, but I wasn't going to go that far. So, I went for the obvious answer knowing that he probably didn't want it. "Uh... he grows things?"
"What else?" How did I know that "growing things" was the wrong answer? Just lucky, I guess.
"Uh, he plants the seed?"
"Yes! That's what I do. But you have to do the growing, you see that? You change you. God doesn't want you unless you want Him."
Okaaay... right about now I'm starting to wonder when he's going to start telling me about the things he believes.
He then grabs his dog-eared, heavily-highlighted and notated Bible and begins reading me random bits out of it. I think one was "God gives men their desires."
Now, that doesn't mean that you get what you desire from God, but that you get your urge for what you desire from God. This is funny to me because, if that's true, it means God gave me the desire to want a world where God is not worshipped.
The lead guy went on and as he spoke I experienced two things. First was the feeling that he had no interest in teaching me about his beliefs but only stuffing pro-his-brand-of-propaganda down my throat. The second thing I experienced was a feeling that his Christian buddies were what David Koresh's followers were to David Koresh--in over their head. I shouldn't say that, actually. Only one "follower" seemed a little too into the lead guy. He eyed the lead guy as though he were
da man! That kind of hero-worship irks me something fierce. No human should be
that reveared. But this dude was hanging on the lead guy's every word and nodding in agreement from time-to-time, too.
Since the lead guy wasn't being forthcoming in the way I wanted him to be, I decided to ask him a question. "So, where did you learn all of this from? Did you go to school or something? Have a mentor, maybe?"
"No, it's just me, the Book and God. I've tried a lot of religions out. Believe it or not, I was Muslim for a while. Then I tried some other denominations of Christianity but they didn't work for me."
"What was wrong with the others?" I asked.
"They were hypocritical. They contradict themselves."
"Don't a lot of religions do that?"
"Yes, they do, but those get into doctrine as opposed to faith."
"So, doctrine is dangerous?"
"Yes."
Based on his passionate arguments during the debates--er,
discussions I've witnessed that he treats his brand of Christianity in a failry doctrine-esque fashion. Especially when he's got at least one "follower" hanging on his every word. That follower admitted to me, as did the lead guy, that he had come from a rough background. Drugs, womanizing, but that, thanks to the lead guy's teachings, all of that was behind him.
"Same here. I used to be with the women and the drinking," the lead guy tells me.
"Your life will change for the better when you bring God into it," the "follower" tells me. He goes on: "I had a lot of trouble in my life, but then I saw that there were two ways to live my life. One way leads down, into bad things. The other way is the path to God."
"I guess I see more of the gray choices in life," I explain.
"Not me, I see only the black and white."
So, in other words what they were telling me was:
"It's my way or the highway."
Or:
"You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists."
Ah, I
love religious fundamentalism.
Although, that's not what they'd call it.
Then again, no one is more convinced of their sanity than the insane.
I'm not saying religious people are insane, but those who see only good and evil, only black and white, only right and wrong are being snookered something fierce. The world is a somewhat complicated place. I believe in general concepts of good and evil, but nothing specific. Even Hitler was good with kids and loved animals. Those are about his only good points, but still, he had them. Putting it in Christian terms, even Satan was an angel at one point. Oh, and by the way, hell does exist. It's been proven according to the lead guy. He says scientists dug a very deep hole, dropped a microphone down into it and were able to pick up screams and cries. (I think I read that article at the Pravda website :crazy: )
The point is I believe that everyone has the potential to be redeemed. You know, to "change their wicked ways." According to these guys' arguments, people are either black or white. They're either on their way to heaven or to hell.
I guess that means I'm on my way to hell until I accept God/Jesus into my life, which I will
never do. Not the way they want me to, anyway. I'm happy to entertain the idea that the universe was created by someone. It just seems patently
absurd to think that a guy who created the entire VAST universe would give two craps about us. We're on a tiny ball in a tiny corner of the universe, a literal stellar needle in the cosmic haystack. We had to come from someplace, but the Judeo-Christian-Muslim God? I don't think so.
That was my other point of annoyance with the lead guy. He kept telling me stuff about God as though I believed "He" exists but offered no connection between God and the real world. He did talk about how God deals in the spiritual realm and that because of that, science can't explain Him.
It's always so easy to write things off as "magic."
"We can't tell you how it works, it's spiritual, it's magic,
you know."
Uh,
no, I don't
know and neither do you. You
believe. I don't and trying to convince me that I should believe isn't going to work. Promising me heaven or whatever won't work either since I don't believe heaven exists. Show me a book of matches from heaven, or a letterhead and I'll consider it, but simply telling me all of these great things God does is not going to win me over. (What am I? A Bush voter??) In fact, telling me how and why I should become Christian will never work. I resist advertisements all day long, trying to jam some other product I don't want down my throat won't work
especially if it's religion. I became an Atheist when I was about 13 years-old, by the way.
That brings me to the last thing that bugs me about these guys and their leader, in particular. I was very clear about what I wanted. I wanted to listen to them talk about their beliefs. However, if their beliefs are just propaganda loops, I'm not interested. I don't want to be Christian, I just want to learn about it. :doze:
Stop wasting your breath on me. My soul is going absolutely nowhere after I die and I'm okay with that.
Thank you and good night.